Kiếm được bài này hay phết Spoiler Superman Prime One Million Introduction The infamous Superman of of the 853rd century. He is renowned for being virtually featless and having his feats blown out of proportion by others across the internet, so today I'll be taking a closer look at our Golden Son of Krypton, and I'll try to separate the facts from the fiction. Just to clarify, this is not a Superman hate thread, and I myself have nothing against Superman, however, the truth is more important than the untruth. False Information You may see people posting a list of his powers, claiming anything from him being second to the Presence to being so strong that he can lift omniverses. Here's the list of supposed powers many people have used and have had claimed he has: These supposed powers are simply ridiculous. Not only has Superman Prime One Million never shown any of these powers, but they are easily dismissible and contradict his actual feats, what little feats he does have anyways. But one might ask where such claims came from? None other than a DC and Superman wiki, copied and pasted. All of those things listed above. Yes, it seems that a Superman fan went across various comic book wikis and proceeded to input their own beliefs about the powers and capabilities of Superman Prime One Million (in which everything listed was evidently false and based on literally nothing). In fact, this is what Tom Brevoort had to say about wikis. They're not kidding when they say "Anyone can edit a wiki" To my knowledge this has since then been removed from the said wikis, but that's where those claims of his "powers" above first originated from. In case you've already seen it, or may see it in the future, now you'll know the inaccurate and unreliable source that spawned it. Here are some examples of unknowing individuals who aren't very knowledgeable on the character passing on the false wiki information across various websites, forums, and threads: I just wanted to get that cleared up before debunking the falsely believed ideas that are actually based on something. Context and Circumstances of His Feats Let's examine his few actual feats and see what we can deduct from them. Claim: He resurrected Lois Lane. Take a closer look at the words. Lzyxm Ltpkz (a 5th Dimensional Imp) used Lois's DNA samples (that Kyle Rayner retrieved from Solaris) and resurrected Lois along with Superman Prime One Million. Conclusion: He cannot resurrect someone without their DNA. He cannot resurrect someone without the help of a 5th Dimensional Imp. Claim: He created a universe. Once again, we need to take a closer look at what he's saying. "Welcome to my universe." His statement does not prove he created a universe in any way, shape, or form. Atom's universe was destroyed, not only does Superman Prime One Million admit he couldn't stop the destruction of his universe, but being the polite man Clark was raised to be by the Kent family, he was simply welcoming/greeting Atom to this other reality he just incidentally came into. For example, just because I greeted by friend and said "Welcome to my home" doesn't mean I actually built it. However, there is one defining fact that most people overlook. DC One Million all takes place in the 853rd century. Ring a bell? The 853rd century is Post-Crisis Earth, the main continuity from 1986-2011. It's the same universe after Crisis on Infinite Earths (before CoIE was the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages) and before Flashpoint (after Flashpoint is New 52), the only difference is that this takes place in the future. We know for a fact that Superman Prime One Million did not create the universe which was the main continuity from 1986-2011 known as Post-Crisis, further reinforcing the fact that he was just welcoming/greeting Atom. Conclusion: He did not create his own universe. He could not stop the destruction of another universe. Claim: He recreated Planet Krypton and resurrected all of its inhabitants. Once again, look at the words. "That's what they did. For him." and "It was all for him". Kyle Rayner, the narrator, is referring to what the Justice Legion (specifically Hourman) did for "him", Superman Prime One Million, who finally returned from the Sun after 15,000 years. Nowhere in this scan does it say that Superman Prime One Million recreated Krypton and resurrected its inhabitants, the narrator says how the others brought back Krypton "for him". Here's the full context of what actually happened: Hourman with the Worlogog was the one who brought back Krypton "During the celebrations, Hourman reached into the past, seconds before Krypton exploded and created a duplicate of the planet in the 853rd century. He then reached back and plucked the population of Krypton from their world in the seconds after the launch of Kal-El's rocket and before Krypton's final destruction. All this created the world of New Krypton where Superman Prime could live amongst other superpowered Kryptonians, including his parents, as a gift from his comrades in the Justice League and Legions." In fact, you can see Hourman doing this on the page right before Superman Prime One Million visits New Krypton. "And meanwhile Hourman, this weedy looking robot guy... starts gathering up time and playing with it like Silly Putty." See anything familiar? The green object in the sky (right above Superman Prime One Million kissing Lois Lane) is planet Krypton as it was exploding. The rocket? It's carrying the young Kal-El, destined to Earth. Hourman uses the power of the Worlogog to bring it back. It should also be noted that this was made to look like the exploding Krypton as originally depicted in older comics. Conclusion: Did not recreate the planet Krypton. Did not resurrect its inhabitants. Claim: He easily defeated the mighty Solaris. Solaris fought the entire Justice Legion Alpha, Justice League, and the heroes of the 853rd century in a battle of epic proportions. As the battle is raging on the outside, Kyle Rayner, inside of Solaris, speaks with the Justice League. He is told that he must increase the mass of Solaris and destabilize his core in order to make him go supernova and blow up. Kyle does this, gets out, and proceeds to form a plasma bottle construct around Solaris. Solaris goes supernova and explodes. As Solaris is exploding, Superman One Million (Kal Kent) then comes to aid Kyle Rayner in containing the blast with his force-vision. The blast is contained and Solaris is defeated, vulnerable, and near-death. Superman Prime One Million then equips the Green Power Ring and proceeds to finish off Solaris. So no, Superman Prime One Million did not defeat Solaris. The heroes fought the battle and succeeded in bringing him down, Superman Prime One Million just happened to be the one who finished him off. That is the real life equivalent of shooting someone who is already on the verge of death. Conclusion: Solaris endured the entire onslaught of the Justice Legion Alpha, Justice League, and the heroes of the 853rd century. As if this wasn't enough, Solaris himself exploded. He was defeated, vulnerable, and near-death. Superman Prime One Million then finishes off this defeated, vulnerable, and near-death Solaris only after equipping the Green Power Ring, making the feat itself even less impressive. Claim: He was fast enough to sense a universe in peril, go into that universe, save Atom before the universe was destroyed, and get out. This claim is not as commonly used as the others, but some people try to use it as a speed feat. Even if it was a speed feat (which it isn't because he never saved Atom), it's an unquantifiable one, making it obsolete in a debate. And even if Superman Prime One Million did save Atom (which he didn't), it would have been a ridiculously easy task considering the fact that he was standing right next to the Universal Gate as the events in Atom's universe were unfolding. The most definitive proof is provided in the scans below, in which Superman Prime One Million does not save Atom in any way, shape or form, nor is it even implied or suggested that he saved Atom. However, we can delve in further. Atom unwillingly created a singularity (as a result of his scientific experiments in order to extract a new form of energy) that was going to destroy the universe. In an attempt to stop this singularity from destroying his universe, he was shot through the suppressor field as a gold ingot. As this happened, his universe was destroyed, and Atom traveled through an interdimensional bridge which led him to the universe Superman Prime One Million was in. This is what Superman Prime One Million then says after Atom arrives: Superman Prime One Million acknowledges that Atom had appeared to have had survived the destruction of his universe, implying that he didn't save Atom. Now if he was there, and if he really did save Atom, then why did he make a presumption by saying "Appear to have"? Would it not be a clear and definitive statement instead, if he knowingly went into a universe that was about to be destroyed in order to save him? All Superman Prime One Million did was recognize the dimensional collapse which resulted in the destruction of Atom's universe from the safety of his own universe. This is once again further reinforced when Superman One Million (Kal Kent) says this: Kal Kent doesn't say Superman Prime One Million saved him, instead he says "Incredible. You met Superman Prime at the Universal Gate?". This implies that they, Superman Prime One Million and Atom, didn't meet in Atom's universe. This is because if Superman Prime One Million really did save him and entered his universe like some say he did, then he would have had to have met Atom while he was travelling through the singularity in Atom's universe and not the Universal Gate, and the Universal Gate is obviously in the universe Superman Prime One Million is in, so since they first met at the Universal Gate that means Superman Prime One Million never even went into Atom's universe in order to save him. Conclusion: Superman Prime One Million did not save Atom from the destruction of his universe. Claim: He was so powerful that he entered the Source Wall and came back with godly powers. The words are often twisted and misunderstood when people try to claim that he obtained godly powers from the Source. The argument for his entering of the Source Wall is this: "He looked like one who had gone so far as to crash the Gates of Heaven -- and still not found that for which he searched." First of all, the Gates of Heaven is something some people have used to interpret it as another word for the Source Wall, but that doesn't work. Why? DC already has a Gates of Heaven, and it is nothing like the Source Wall. Second of all, the Source Wall has never been referred to as the "Gates of Heaven". The first scan is the Gates of Heaven, the second scan is the Source Wall. Not only do they look nothing alike but they're two separate places. With that said, take another look at the words. "He looked like one who had gone as far as to crash the Gates of Heaven". Now look at Superman's face. Yes, all they're doing is describing the expression and look on Superman's face. It's figurative/metaphoric language being employed for descriptive purposes. In fact, the fact that they're using figurative language is blatantly obvious if you read the text box before it. Then one day, at the turn of the 700th century -- literally from out of the blue -- a haunted Ishmael drifted back to his adopted planet... A biblical reference to the son of Abraham, Ishmael. More figurative/metaphoric language, not literal. Conclusion: He did not enter the Source Wall. He did not gain any "godly" powers. Claim: He has the reality warping powers of a 5th Dimensional Imp. The Superman of the 67th century, Superman Purple, far after the regular Superman we know, married Gzntplzk, the Queen of the 5th Dimension. This means that any children Superman Purple produces will have some 5th Dimensional powers. Superman Prime One Million cannot have 5th Dimensional powers because Queen Gzntiplzk and her bloodline entered the Superman Dynasty much later on. Superman Prime One Million did not gain any 5th Dimensional powers, his descendants did, however That's like saying one of my descendants, a human, for example, marries a female Kryptonian tens of thousands of years in future. My descendant, the human, would not gain the powers of a Kryptonian simply by marrying her and establishing a relationship, that's not how biology works. The only descendants of mine that would inherit such powers would be the children that were produced with the female Kryptonian. The notion that me, assuming I'm alive, would gain the powers that one of my descendants inherited tens of thousands of years into the future is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that he doesn't have 5th Dimensional reality warping powers is further reinforced when he needed the help of a 5th Dimensional Imp in order to resurrect Lois. If he really did have the powers of an Imp then he wouldn't have needed Lzyxm Ltpkz's help in the first place. In fact, not even his descendants have reality warping powers. The comic tells us that they inherited "ten alien sensory powers" as a result of Superman Purple producing children with Queen Gzntplzk. Not reality warping, but ten alien sensory powers. Throughout the comic it is proven to us that the descendants of Superman Purple have such alien sensory powers, and nowhere is it shown that they have reality warping powers, which is something that was never even mentioned nor proved. The only Superman that has reality warping powers is Lzyxm Ltpkz, who is literally an imp. Conclusion: He does not have the reality warping powers of a 5th Dimensional Imp. His descendants, even though Superman Purple married Queen Gzntplkzk, didn't inherit reality warping powers. Just ten new sensory powers. Claim: Superman sun-dipped for 15,000 years and gained new powers. Yes, Superman Prime One Million did sun-dip for 15,000, however, there is much to keep in mind. The sun-dip did not grant him any new powers whatsoever. Like any other Kryptonian who dwells in a star, it merely enhances the power of their regular Kryptonian powers which they already possess. Nothing more, nothing less. In addition to that, he's still going to use up that energy through every action he performs. My point being that the energy absorbed through sun-dipping is not permanent, the energy gained from a sun-dip will nonetheless diminish as time goes by, just like any other Kryptonian when they sun-dip. If he intends to maintain his golden figure, he'll have to replenish it by reentering the Sun. There is also nothing to suggest that the solar energy within him cannot be drained. Conclusion: He did not gain any powers by sun-dipping. The energy absorbed is not permanent, and will diminish over time. Further Points Nowhere, to my knowledge, is it actually proven or said that he is completely immune and invulnerable to the following, as believed by some: Magic Kryptonite Telepathy Reality warping Energy absorption Soul manipulation Matter manipulation But Wait, He Does Have Feats, and Lots of Them Too "Hold on MysticMedivh, what did you just say? You're telling me you just made this entire thread that debunks Superman Prime One Million, yet he apparently has lots of feats as well? But how could this be?" Believe it or not, he does have lots of feats, just not the type of feats you'd expect him to have. Keep in mind that our normal everyday Superman of the Justice League is Superman Prime One Million, the only difference being that Superman Prime One Million is Superman in the future, meaning he does indeed possess all the feats of Post-Crisis Superman from 1986-2011. However, Superman Prime One Million specifically is still virtually featless. The Verdict Quite frankly, what few feats he does have are not impressive given the circumstances and context. Nothing he has done would even suggest he is on par with a Skyfather, such as Odin, for example. Truthfully speaking, someone like Odin dwarfs this Superman feat-wise, in both quality and quantity. Some of Odin's feats include: Stopping the very fabrics of time itself Destroying a galaxy Creating a solar system Engaging in a cosmic battle that tore the very fabrics of the multiverse apart My point being is that he's nowhere as great as others make him out to be, such as a godly omniversal entity second only to the Presence. There's a plethora of other characters and beings throughout Marvel, DC, and fiction in general that simply outclass him. At the end of the day, there is nothing substantial whatsoever to back up his hype. He's not as a powerful of a character as one might think he is. Superman Prime One Million has no new powers or anything along those lines such as godly powers from the Source, 5th Dimensional reality warping, additional powers gained through sun-dipping, etc.. This means that Superman Prime One Million is quite literally regular Superman, power-wise of course, with the only difference being the fact that he sun-dipped for 15,000 years. Whether he has a Green Power Ring or not is a debatable matter, as he only depicted to wield one for two pages due to circumstantial events, and never again such as when Lzyxm Ltpkz resurrected Lois with her DNA alongside Superman Prime One Million, or when he visited New Krypton after its return, or when he encountered Atom when his universe collapsed. Nguồn: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen...r-look-at-superman-prime-one-million-1642666/
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Ko nhờ mấy ông rảnh vậy thì các đồng chí kiếm mấy bộ truyện từ thời Thế chiến mà đọc nhé, éo ai viết wiki cho các ông
Xin lỗi bác nhưng em cũng éo rảnh để mà đọc wiki, em chẳng bao giờ so sánh nhân vật này với nhân vật kia rồi phải mang cả những cái feat từ thời Napoleon cởi truồng ra để đấu khẩu
Đọc cũng vui mà. Trước giờ chỉ thắc mắc hai thằng có thể thay đổi hiện thực đánh nhau thì ai thắng? Thằng này thua thằng kia lại thay đổi hiện thực...cứ thế quay vòng lặp lại à
sịp vàng như là từ thời phê cần vẽ ấy feat sịp giờ cũng ko phải quá mạnh nhưng muốn nó thọt thì cũng tàn phế
Bóng đá khác chứ, bóng đá nó là thực tế còn truyện tranh là hư cấu VD như ở thực tế thằng Công Phượng éo thể bằng Messi được Nhưng trong truyện tranh thì thằng Công Phượng dám là bằng Messi lắm
Nhân vật như Bat, Sup có rất nhiều tác giả khác nhau, mỗi ông có 1 cách nghĩ riêng mỗi ông mỗi ý. Vd ông này cho Bat bá, làm cái éo gì cũng đúng, ông thì cho Bat để đàn bà nó đạp lên mặt như con cờ hó thì so sánh làm cái éo gì cho mệt. Trong truyện thằng tác giả buff tinh thần cho Công Phượng lớ ngớ Hoàng Anh Gia Lai đá trên cơ Barca chưa biết chừng.
Mình nhớ trước nghe Stan Lee bình luận về cái vụ nhân vật này đấu nhân vật kia, ông cụ nói là éo có ai mạnh hơn ai, tất cả là do thằng tác giả, ổng mà thích thì kể cả anh hùng hạng bét cũng có thể đập chết được những nhân vật mạnh tầm vũ trụ.
Vậy mới chia ra từng version, từng earth hay từng trạng thái mà battle. Trò này có hơn chục năm rồi, giờ như 1 nét văn hóa vậy, tất cả đều nhờ trận chiến bất hủ giữa Goku vs Superman
